Posts by Ima Apostate

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Well guess who just knocked on my door....

by Ima Apostate in

of course you know the answer... how ironic.

i swear, jehovah's witnesses only come when i'm hanging out in sweatpants and a tank top with no bra on.

if i am wearing a bra, they don't come.

Well guess who just knocked on my door....

by Ima Apostate in

of course you know the answer... how ironic.

i swear, jehovah's witnesses only come when i'm hanging out in sweatpants and a tank top with no bra on.

if i am wearing a bra, they don't come.

Well, sorry about that... Maybe it's God's way of helping me, really! See, I'm not comfortable enough to invite someone in for a lively Bible debate when my nipples are exposed. It would be a waste of time anyway, so the fact that they only come when I am innappropriately dressed is just a sign that God is really on my side.

I hope they don't go to my parent's congregation. As much as I disagree with my folks, I love them and I don't want any condenscending, hypocritical assholes critizing them and the way they've raised my sister and I.

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Well guess who just knocked on my door....

by Ima Apostate in

of course you know the answer... how ironic.

i swear, jehovah's witnesses only come when i'm hanging out in sweatpants and a tank top with no bra on.

if i am wearing a bra, they don't come.

Ima Apostate

I remember at least two scantily clad, or I should say partially nude, sex-smelling people answering the door when I used to knock on them in my pre-pubescent years. I remember thinking, "Maybe worldly people have sex in the morning..." I had thought it was a night thing.

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Good news on the family front...or is it?

by Ima Apostate in

this morning i called my parents to let them know my father-in-law made it through the night (he's got some blood clot problems).

my dad answers.

some of you probably have read how we have had issues in the past.

Ima Apostate

This morning I called my parents to let them know my father-in-law made it through the night (he's got some blood clot problems). My dad answers.

Some of you probably have read how we have had issues in the past. Just yesterday, I had called him after reading Captives of a Concept to share with him some of the issues I had with the whole 'invisible return of Christ in 1914' thing. Because as that book makes perfectly clear, the entire theology of the JW rests on the idea that Christ found them alone worthly in 1914 when he invisibly returned, making them the 'Faithful and Discreet Slave'. Our conversation goes nowhere. Mind you, my dad will let me share my apostate ideas, but he never really is open to them. Any flaws in the organization that I point out are, "increased understanding, new understanding, the light getting brighter, etc". But he will listen, and we agree to disagree.

My dad feels that the reason I seek out knowledge all the time on the organization is because inside I am struggling because I deep down know it's 'the truth'. That's not the case, but whatever.

But anyway, he's really nice on the phone this morning. And he wants to know if it's okay if he sends my daughter a pocket-sized Bible (who wants to bet it's a NWT?) Anyway, I tell him she already has a Bible and she really doesn't read it yet, but if he wants to send it, fine. He also says he wrote a letter to her apologizing about our recent fight over religion. See, he told my daughter that our new church is run by Satan and she had horrific nightmares. So he's written a letter apologizing for what he said and explaining how adults just have different views about God. That's what he SAID it said.

So I'm hopeful. Maybe my dad is really sincere and he will quit trying to shape my daughter into a JW. Maybe he finally has decided that the decision is ultimately up to her.

Maybe. We'll see when we get the package containing the letter and the Bible.

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Well guess who just knocked on my door....

by Ima Apostate in

of course you know the answer... how ironic.

i swear, jehovah's witnesses only come when i'm hanging out in sweatpants and a tank top with no bra on.

if i am wearing a bra, they don't come.

Ima Apostate

Of course you know the answer... How ironic. I swear, Jehovah's Witnesses only come when I'm hanging out in sweatpants and a tank top with no bra on. If I am wearing a bra, they don't come. However, no bra seems to make them come. Interesting.

So anyway, this morning I've got the flu or some stinking sinus infection, so I didn't go to church. I really wanted to go, because it's 'Trinity Sunday' and being my first year going through the church calendar, I was interested in hearing the sermon. The Trinity is the most incomprehensible part of mainstream Christianity, after all. But my husband convinced me to stay home and rest, so I've been reading the Bible on my own and in general thinking of all things religion, despite being sick.

So there is a knock, and I think, "Who the hell?" It's Kingdom Hall time - I know because it's 10 - 12 in the morning here (my parents are there in fact). So I ask who it is, and they say, "We're volunteers." Well, okay. So I open the door and it's a middle aged black woman and a middle aged white man. I say hello. I like helping volunteers.

They say, "Good morning. We're volunteers in your area looking for people who know ASL." I say, "Well, I'm an ESE teacher, and I will be learning ASL this summer to help one of my students. Why?"

They reply, "We'll, we have some materials and DVDs about ASL. We're Jehovah's Witnesses and..."

Well, at this point I quit listening because I felt like I'd been tricked. If you're a Jehovah's Witness, just say so before I open the door. I said, "Oh, well my parents are JWs and I was raised as one, but I very much disagree with your gospel and am not interested." And they said, "Oh, okay. Do your parents go to our congregation?" I said yes, then they wanted to know who they were. So I said, "Well, I'd rather not share that, you know how that goes." And they left.

I know that if I had given them my parents names they would go and tell them what their daughter had said, or they would just tell everyone else in the congregation about how one of them had a heathen daughter who didn't want to talk to them. I just hope they don't go prying around as to who has a daughter that teaches ESE in the county with blonde hair...

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What exactly happened at Meribah ?

by aligot ripounsous in

i attended this we the meeting of an english speaking congregation, where they happened to have their co, an american ex- bethelite with his french wife.

he sounded quite sensible in his concluding prayer, saying that jws are in search of the truth, in connection, i assumed, with the wt article of the day.

that was the least he could say since, as i told him at the end of the meeting, we had seen three different definitions of the generation of the end within the last 13 years.

Ima Apostate

I recently studied this in a bible study. I think what really happened was that Moses took credit for the water coming from the rock. If you read Number 20:6-9, which provides another account, Moses was to SPEAK to the rock, but instead he STRUCK it and said "Must WE bring you water out of this rock?"

Moses was too embarrassed to speak to the rock and took the credit for the water. Hope that helps.

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Remember the term: Heavy petting.

by odie67 in

i guess that would include tongue kissing, touching etc....the things two people do when they dig each other.

heavy petting was a huge no no!.

i remember sitting in front of three elders as a teenager spilling my guts about how i kissed this boy.

Ima Apostate

Having to talk about sexual things you've done in front of elders is so weird...I remember my one or two times in the back room getting questioned... But I was at the height of my teenager bitchiness, so I just kept rolling my eyes and not telling them what they wanted to know.

As an adult, I'd almost like to be in one of those rooms now, for kicks. I'd probably get a kick out of trying to turn the elders on by saying, "Yeah, and he kept rubbing my breasts, and it made me so wet! I wanted his c**k so freakin' bad so I...."

Well, you get the idea. I'm a little twisted like that. And those elders deserve any torment they can get, those condenscending little bastards.

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WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?

by V in

just another interesting comment i have received on the watchtower comments youtube channel.

feel free to deconstruct.... .

what is wrong with you?

Ima Apostate

V,

You're awesome. Hopefully in time more young people will see the light. I hope you hear back from this guy again.

Ima

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The 2008 Grand Boasting Session Ahead

by WTWizard in

well, the time is almost here--already.

the first of the 2008 grand boasting sessions is almost upon us, and i expect to begin seeing threads about the programs in the coming weeks.

notably, this means some children will be missing the last weeks of school (the program starts on friday), or at least one day of it, to attend.. i will be looking for any new rules and instructions that have not yet happened.

Ima Apostate

About the ban on oral sex - are we talking between unmarried people or married people? Or both? I knew the JWs went through some weird ban on particular sex acts back in the 80s, but I can't believe it would still be going on today. No way.

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Finding Faith

by Ima Apostate in

how many of you ex-jw kids were able to believe in mainstream christianity after leaving the borg?

within the last year, i have opened up to getting to know god again.

what's funny is that when i prayed for truth and to know god, i knew and had a real feeling in my heart that i was getting closer to something real, but there was still a voice going, "hey, it's me jehovah, and you have rejected me!".

Ima Apostate

Trevor,

I am quite young (27). You may misunderstand my experiences with the JW faith. It was never a faith that I sought out, researched, prayed on, reasoned about... It was shoved down my throat as a child. I believed it because everyone in my family did, and I trusted their judgment. Also, I had very limited exposure to people who believed differently.

When I got old enough to really begin developing the ability to think about these things for myself (13 or so), I began to have serious doubts about what I was taught. I did not 'cling to the faith' very long after that. I could never believe in the God of the Watchtower, who could kill all the terrific people who, at this very moment somewhere in the world, are on their knees begging for his help and praying to worship him in spirit in truth. (And the reason why he'd kill them - they had rejected the Witnesses who knocked on their door last Saturday.)

Over 14 years have gone by since I began to question what I believed, and only a year has gone by since I have begun to seek answers about what I really believed about God. I didn't start this post because I wanted to defend my newfound faith. In fact, I am constantly having to defend my faith from my own doubts. It certainly would be a lot easier to not believe in anything - it was for the 10 or so years that I did. But deep inside me, I will never stop believing in God, and never could. And in looking at the larger picture of history, the God of Israel makes sense to me.

Just because I don't believe in the creation story as it is spelled out in the Bible, well, it doesn't mean that I don't believe that something created mankind and has sought throughout time to bring creation into harmony with him (it, her, whatever you prefer). I even understand how God can be perceived as angry and jealous in the Old Testament. After all, it is a story of a God who continually forgives his people, and they continually screw up, and this goes on and on. But the fact that he keeps reconnecting with them tells me that he patient and loving. Then, if you were to believe as I do that Jesus in the New Testament is God's way of finally, once and for all, reconciling mankind to him... well, it makes sense enough for me.

Well, that's my view on Christianity as well as I can put it into words, which isn't very well right now because I'm sick with the flu. Please don't be too alarmed or apprehensive about my faith. I read the Bible regularly and constantly am reading other books on faith so that my faith is strengthened, and the only way to strengthen something is to test it to it's limits regularly. And believe me, my terrific 'worldly' friends love to badger me about what I believe on a regular basis. And I don't mind, because if I'm going to claim a belief as my own, I need to know to my very core that it is true and I'm not being delusional.

I get your point about 'cherry-picking' Bible verses which support your beliefs system, and I'm sure all Christians do that from time to time. After all, the Bible can be contradictory sometimes. And I'd love to discuss this with you, or someone, sometime - but I don't have the energy to do that on a forum such as this. I much prefer such conversation over a few beers or cups of coffee.

Thanks to all who have welcomed me on this board. It is encouraging to see just how many people are leaving the JWs. It gives me hope that maybe one day my Dad will leave and he'll know some real peace in his life.

-Ima